Age Of Stupid

[Nick]

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Just finished on BBC4 - fantastic piece of work. Catch it on iPlayer if you missed it.

[Julian]

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Just finished on BBC4 - fantastic piece of work. Catch it on iPlayer if you missed it.

Watched it a few weeks ago.. Some interesting points, although I thought it was quite disjointed in places... Why did they bang on and on about the traffic by mt. blanc and only spend a criminally short segment on the mt. blanc ice sheet. (it was possibly more than a couple of weeks back as I may be remembering this incorrectly).

Why did you troll over there by the way? The place has been completely taken over by the same half dozen manic depressives. The place is so miserable now it is just uncomfortable, posts as you have made will just bring out the infamous 5. I put my head above the parapet to stick up for you over there a few times, continuing to troll seems like a bit of yolk on my face. I now await your incoming put downs for mentioning TOP.

Anyhow, deniers are not going to watch something that may change the way they think, if the weather has not changed much in their back garden, then climate change is not happening... tell that to the people in India who have to dig deeper and deeper irrigation wells.. or ... or .. are deniers only from temperate areas?

Another thought, Gordon Brown is (as we are told over and over and over and boringly over) the most inept pm since records began, yet he has single handedly convinced the world that changes must now be made to prevent climate holocaust.. all to raise uk taxes... this is the most laughable and pitiful attitude I have ever read.

Wonder if I should expect a ban from here now.

[little boy blue]

......... Wonder if I should expect a ban from here now.

nah, every forum needs a m o g. you can be ours - even if you don`t smell of whisky

[Nick]

Why did you troll over there by the way? . . . I now await your incoming put downs for mentioning TOP.

Well it was rather unnecessary but since you ask . . .

As most will know I am a fully signed up subscriber to the thinking behind the Age Of Stupid - that we are entering a crucial decade in human history and that our actions or inaction now will largely determine the type of world the next few generations live in. So - what do I choose to do about it?

As those of you who know us are also aware, we have a fairly low-carbon lifestyle - but to what extent this is because of committment and to what extent it is a by-product of the impecunious and fairly chaotic way I have led my life is open to debate. What little money I made I made in the oil industry and I do not weart a hair shirt. I have been known to enjoy a shottie of a fast car when it is offered and we will happily jet off for a week in Madeira after Christmas if someone buys the tickets for us.

If I was younger and we lived in a city then I am sure I would be involved in environmental groups or green politics, but I am an isolated old fart connected to reality only through the TV and computer. What I can do is use the Lounge to continually shoot down the zombie arguments that rise from the dead each time they are killed in the hope that one or two posters might begin to actually think about the issues involved in a rational way. In fact when I 'left' recently I got a lot of supportive PMs, more than one of which saying that I had made them look at the issue of climate change more carefully. This is my contribution, my work on behalf of 'the movement' - or sanity as I prefer to call it. It has been hard work; if you look back through the hundreds of detailed and well-researched posts I have made on the subject you can see that it has taken many many hours of my time. If it has made even a couple of people re-examine their blinkered views on the subject then it has been worth it.

My brief appearance in the Lounge yesterday had but one purpose. If even one person watches Age Of Stupid who would otherwise not have done so then it was worth it. My post here was for a similar reason - it was not intended to start a discussion, I just thought one or two of our members might be interested.

So - that is why I have spent a lot of time posting in the YBW Lounge. It usually leaves me feeling soiled, but I freshen up before I come over here. On BlueMoment I want to forget all about the conspiracy theorists and other loonies in the Lounge. I do not normally encourage the discussion of climate change and related issues here for lots of reasons - one obvious one being that you or someone else will start discussing YBW rather than the issues.

Thanks for your comments on the Age Of Stupid Julian, but please stick to the topic at hand and do not refer to other fora unless it is relevant.

[Julian]

Thanks for your comments on the Age Of Stupid Julian, but please stick to the topic at hand and do not refer to other fora unless it is relevant.

...and there it is

[Nick]

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[Nick]

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No-one except Julian saw it / has seen it?

[marisca]

Saw what?

[Alcyone]

I watched it earlier, as a result of your post, too, so you can die happy.

Agree with Julian. It seemed disjointed. I liked the link with the oil economy, Iraq and Nigeria. I also agree that it will probably change little, although when I started recycling, over 20 years back (plastic, tin, everything, when nobody was doing it) I did it as much to help change perception as for the good a few tins of catfood made.

As I get older I keep coming back to the same conclusion over and over - nothing is ever done until it is too late. The dissenters disappear or deny being so and one is left feeling whether it was ever worth the abuse you got for trying to argue.

The worse thing about Climate change is, I bet there is not one amongst all the 'believers' who would not absolutely love it if it was all a hoax.

[Telo]

when I started recycling, over 20 years back (plastic, tin, everything, when nobody was doing it) I did it as much to help change perception as for the good a few tins of catfood made.

That's as may be, but it's all been downhil since the weekly run to the bottle bank imho. The trouble with the roadside collection of tins and bottles by the council wagon is that our neighbours can count all our empties as they're chucked into the various trays on the lowloader...

[Alcyone]

when I started recycling, over 20 years back (plastic, tin, everything, when nobody was doing it) I did it as much to help change perception as for the good a few tins of catfood made.

That's as may be, but it's all been downhil since the weekly run to the bottle bank imho. The trouble with the roadside collection of tins and bottles by the council wagon is that our neighbours can count all our empties as they're chucked into the various trays on the lowloader...

You mean you don't sneak out after they've gone to bed and hide your bottles in their bins? Our next door neighbours are in their late 80s and the street is alive with gossip about how much Absinthe they get through.

[Telo]

You mean you don't sneak out after they've gone to bed and hide your bottles in their bins?

Maybe I should try that. The binmen come round at 0800 every Wednesday morning and individually throw each bottle into the appropriate skip (you can count 'em). It's the winter equivalent of the dawn chorus up here.

[Rowana]

. . . .and the street is alive with gossip about how much Absinthe they get through.

And when they pass wind, does it sound like "Honda" ?


Well, you know what they say, "Absinthe makes the fart go Honda!"

[tcm]

in the absence of a pic, readers are invited to visulaise the OP grinning at helm of my massively high-carbon motor, about to wham around his local neigbourhood in 6litre turbo-charged roadburner. But there's the prob innit - high-cabon things are such good fun. Jeez, i wish i had taken a pic. Persoanly, i have it on good authority that it's a bit overblown, very fixable, and anyway, saving non-renewables now will just mean the kids or grandkids can have a teak deck or big plastic boat instead of me before it finally runs out, so yerknow, soddem.

[Nick]

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Have to say I did rather enjoy blamming up our single track road in your turbocharged Bentley with the lid down, and I wish you had taken a pic as well. Of course, I got SWMBO to whip me until I bled afterwards . . .

How much diesel did you burn on the Arc? Only 400 litres to do 3000 miles? That's about 150 berth-miles per gallon, so that's pretty green innit?

Where are you for Krimbo? St Lucia?