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[Nick]

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[Silkie]

You've been posting in the lounge again, haven't you?

[Silkie]

Ah. Seen it now.

[FullCircle]

I thought it was the second most entertaining post of the day.

The first was Talbots pictures of a scary Norwegian beach 607m above water level.

[bilbo]

Have you had any offers for your, ahem, 'itinerant' outboard? And are there any more where that came from.....?

[ash]

'Shoot Me' if you see me in The Lounge - See that you haven't completely broken the habit.

Mind you, who needs the Lounge with two locked threads in Scuttlebutt!!!

Ash

[Nick]

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Mind you, who needs the Lounge with two locked threads in Scuttlebutt!!!

- and it's starting again. The thread they couldn't kill!!

(Not that I've peeked you understand . . . )

[Julian]

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Mind you, who needs the Lounge with two locked threads in Scuttlebutt!!!

- and it's starting again. The thread they couldn't kill!!

(Not that I've peeked you understand . . . )

which?

[Julian]

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Mind you, who needs the Lounge with two locked threads in Scuttlebutt!!!

- and it's starting again. The thread they couldn't kill!!

(Not that I've peeked you understand . . . )

I see and I get the gist of what Ken prolly wrote, knowing his sense of humour I could not believe it would be serious.

I am going to point something at you now, an insult on your own forum, but take it as constructive criticism.

You have this god awful habit of writing something, getting a reply that is not in agreement and then legging it in a huff, stand and fight your corner man, never seen a jock do this before! The standard jock way to win an argument is to mentally beat your opponent to a pulp, not with facts but an unfaltering ability to never change his opinion even if proved beyond doubt to be flawed. See braveheart, actually, lets never go there...

Sorry to bring this up, but reading that particular thread I was flummoxed that you had thrown your toys, well before Ken made that post.

I see it as my duty as a person living in the town of north to assist the SE into the real world before they arrive with a mighty thump in the next couple of years.

[Nick]

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I know exactly what you mean, but if you look at the volume of my postings yesterday - each carefully considered and revised a few times before actually posting - the truth is that I simply don't have the time.


I spent maybe three hours in that blighted virtuality yesterday, and for what? The way the average English yacht owner sees the world is deeply entrenched in an unfailing sense of their own superiority and rightness, and you might as well go piss from the windward shrouds in a F6. I know proper newspapers are not widely read these days (pink ones don't count), but sometimes I wonder if people have television, or even windows in their cars.


<sweeping generalisation mode>Up here yachting is to some (small) extent like golf - a game for everyone rather than a pastime still shrouded in the wraiths of class and privilege. It is exchanges like yesterdays that to some extent show why Scotland and England seem to be drifting further apart every month.</end sweeping generalisation mode>

So - while I always start off well up for it, confident that my old skills from school debating society days coupled with my understanding of scientific methodology and argument will be sufficient to blow away the nonscience rantings of the ranks of consultant marketeers and snake oil salesmen in the end I give up. I can console myself with a Scottish government more in tune with my (and most Scots) thinking and values and a social ethos far removed from the Home Counties.

Also - there are one or two that, while misguided, are nonetheless good sailors and basically decent blokes who I do not really wish to upset, so at some point I have to draw a line under things. And of course I am hopelessly naive and arithmetically challenged, which doesn't help

Anyway DW, you were pretty quiet yesterday. Practice what you preach and all that. More support in a thread does tend to help the protaganist keep going a bit longer.

Now, for anyone who feels they must jump in here - please don't as I have a lot of other things I need to do today, and I am NOT going to take any of the arguments I have put forward in this thread any further - not today anyway. ( Feel free to talk among yourselves though)

For anyone reading this who may feel in any way targeted, don't. This is a sailing forum for sailors from all parts of the UK. The social, intellectual and humour mix is a little bit different to other fora you may have been used to, but we are all really quite civilised on here ** . We have to be - if we are nasty to each other moderation by the TAASC is swift and decisive, and if the mote is in my own eye then people whose opinions I value will usually cast it out PDQ.

Off now to do some of my £50 per hour web design work . . .


** with the possible exception of Lord Claymore, who as a mascot is allowed a certain leeway

[claymore]

Julian
Whilst I have not actually been over to the other place and have no idea what has been happening, I have to concur with you regarding the lack of maturity which Nick can display so readily and easily.
I think he wakes up (sometimes he does, I thnk) and wonders who he could fall out with today.

The problem I believe is that he is understimulated and could really do with a term at Oban High to get some perspective back into his life.

[Nick]

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[bilbo]

"....And another thing!"

[Chris_E]

The last thing I'd want to do is to either prolong a dead discussion or move it to somewhere else so please take this in the spirit in which it is intended.

My post re prices and rates of webmastery was so far tongue in cheek that there's probably a hole and I was suprised to see that offence was taken especially as I'd stuck a smiley at the end to indicate this. I'm sorry if you took offence but I feel to widen this to a Scots v Home Counties argument is OTT.

It is how we can work together, respecting each other's ethos, that is of much more interest to me than how we can emphasise differences.

[Nick]

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Chris, sorry if I gave you the wrong impression but I didn't take offence at your comments, just some other peoples'.

Not sure I understand your comment re. a N-S 'argument' - I don't have an argument. The values expressed by most of the contributors were very much the typical SE England/Thatcherite/Gordon Gecko stock responses I have come to expect on YBW - not surprising as that is the locality and social grouping most boat owners belong to. Not their fault, not even necessarily wrong in any sense - but their values are not really applicable to the economy of Argyll, Scotland as a whole or, probably, the medium term future generally - and it is the arrogance of the assumption that they are that never fails to wind me up.

There is a very good reason for Scotland having a devolved assembley and a working government run by a purely Scottish party, it didn't happen by chance. Scotland is a different country politically, always has been before and after the Act of Union, and in spite of the pressures of globalisation it looks as though it is holding on to that different identity very strongly.

As far as I am concerned that is not a topic for argument, merely a statement of historical and social fact. It was intended to show why entering into certain types of discussion on fora is unproductive and essentially pointless.

Lets stick to sailing, an area where we hopefully do share a lot of values and where we can work together for everyone's mutual benefit.