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Re: magnetic offset and the shift of the planet?
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:56 pm
by Arghiro
25cm, or less than a foot? I doubt that GPS is that accurate, even with Differential algorithms applied. I can't see something that small affecting anything the you & I could measure.
And, yes, what has happened (and still happening) in Japan is horrendous. Probably one of the best prepared countries (and richest) in the world for such disasters, and utterly powerless to stop it. But I reckon the death toll & devastation would have been far far higher if Japan hadn't worked so hard to build earthquake resistant structures.
Re: magnetic offset and the shift of the planet?
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:02 pm
by DaveS
Elsewhere, or maybe later in the same report, it was mentioned that the main Japanese island had moved 2.4 metres. I would have thought that quite sufficient to upset road use sat navs unless they use DGPS. Anyone know?
Re: magnetic offset and the shift of the planet?
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:32 pm
by Arghiro
DaveS wrote:Elsewhere, or maybe later in the same report, it was mentioned that the main Japanese island had moved 2.4 metres. I would have thought that quite sufficient to upset road use sat navs unless they use DGPS. Anyone know?
Again I doubt it. I don't think that maps are that accurate. Remember that a road marked on a map is much larger than reality. If you scaled up the average road marked on a map I suspect it would be about 100mtr wide. At max magnification, my google earth GPS often shows me driving thro fields alongside the road anyway.
The truth will out....
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:53 pm
by Telo
Arghiro wrote: my google earth GPS often shows me driving thro fields alongside the road anyway
So now we know why you were pushing the car when you did your leg in.
Re: The truth will out....
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:31 pm
by Arghiro
Shard wrote:Arghiro wrote: my google earth GPS often shows me driving thro fields alongside the road anyway
So now we know why you were pushing the car when you did your leg in.

Actually, I had stopped across a driveway to sort summat out & the owner of the house came back - but the car wouldn't restart. So I tried to push it out of the way . . .
I am not as fit & young as I used to be.

or I thought I was!
Re: magnetic offset and the shift of the planet?
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:19 pm
by DaveS
Arghiro wrote:DaveS wrote:Elsewhere, or maybe later in the same report, it was mentioned that the main Japanese island had moved 2.4 metres. I would have thought that quite sufficient to upset road use sat navs unless they use DGPS. Anyone know?
Again I doubt it. I don't think that maps are that accurate. Remember that a road marked on a map is much larger than reality. If you scaled up the average road marked on a map I suspect it would be about 100mtr wide. At max magnification, my google earth GPS often shows me driving thro fields alongside the road anyway.
I think it depends on both the hardware and the mapping software. I've just bought one of Maplin's GPS dongles and tried it for the first time last night. It comes with a trial application that shows position on a Google Earth map. With 4 satellites acquired (this inside a stone built house) it consistently showed a position within 2 metres horizontally and 4 metres vertically of reality.
Back to car sat navs: their road data is held in vector format so shouldn't be subject to scaling effects. I know that mine (a Navman) realises I've left a motorway when I'm about half way down the slip road, maybe 3 metres to the side of the main carriageway. This is what made me wonder about the effect of the Japanese 2.4m shift.