BLUEMOMENT

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In an extraordinary decision the YBW mods have banned discussion of one very specific subject in the lounge, namely climate change. While this removes the oxygen of publicity from a small group of loud and poorly informed conspiracy theorists, it does seem somewhat draconian when the trouble at 'tmill has pretty obviously been down to one or two posters out to cause mayhem. There was even some valid discussion and interesting information on occasion, from both sides - although in recent months the signal to noise ratio had become pretty intolerable.

So is this a pyrrhic victory for the Crimson Stalker, or a blessed relief for most of us? I vote we keep the subject mostly off this forum as well, although I trust we will never have to legislate on the matter. If anyone does desperately feel the urge to start a punch-up over climate change there is a perfect little forum for it lying around somewhat under-utilised HERE where I would be happy to debate with anyone who feels the urge.

I think "The Lounge" is a place better avoided.

On those occasions I am tempted to venture in I am always depressed by what I read there.

Words like "racist", "little englander," "zenophobic", "selfish and self centred", "smug," "sexist", "Monday Club", "UKIP"' "BNP", Enoch Powell and that man Tebbit all spring to mind: A pantheon of demons. I'm sure Oswald Mosley would have felt amongst friends there.

If the Church of England is the Tory Party at prayer then the Lounge is the Nasty Party at play.

I didn't see the thread that tipped it. I have visited the lounge very rarely in the last few months. I actually agree with Dan, if the class are not mature enough to cope then teach' needs to step in.

I cancelled my IPC subs because of the lounge, made sure the woman on the telephone wrote down the reason when I did so. If IPC sort out the lounge I will quickly start my YM subs again. I don't expect a forum to be fluffy, but I will not subsidise a forum that appears to support and defend the BNP. It appears the mods are finally getting the message that the content of the lounge reflects rather badly upon them.

What I have never understood, why do certain people frequent a sailing forum to spout their hate? Actually, maybe it is because of the soft touch moderation that has attracted a certain group of people to a forum that otherwise they have no interest in whatsoever. Who was banned?

Let's be honest, the bad taste at TOP of late has shut down most of the fun we all used to have over there, if I was the mod over there I would still be banning people now.

Oh yeah, and why oh why is does the perv have to keep posting dirty pics to a sailing forum. Why can't certain forums manage to stay away from stuff that you can't avoid on the other 98% of the interweb. There is a bunch of dirty old men who are always encouraging him to post, I mean, it is so easy to find EVERYWHERE.

I am no prude, but I enjoy these sailing forums as somewhere I go when I am not perving elsewhere. I see it as rather childish to be honest..

snigger.. wanna see a page from the Kay's catalogue.. snigger

There is an argument to be made in favour of keeping the lounge.

Easy to avoid the lizards if they are all contained in one place.

All a great shame imho. Personally, I found Scuttlebutt and PBO to be invaluable when I was at the lower end of the learning curve. I also liked the banter on Scuttlebutt, but the creation of the Lounge created an "anything goes" atmosphere, that has detrimentally affected the other forums.

I saw Julian's comment about cancelling his subscription, and wonder whether YBW is looking at this the right way. I like reading YM, but always buy at the cover price (just laziness on my part) and was recently thinking about taking out a subscription. Perhaps the solution to the nastiness on YBW forums would be to close the forums to all except to magazine (paper or online) subscribers. It wouldn't solve all their problems, but least the sad unboated trolls and cyberstalkers would be less inclined to take part.

Shard wrote:All a great shame imho. Personally, I found Scuttlebutt and PBO to be invaluable when I was at the lower end of the learning curve. I also liked the banter on Scuttlebutt, but the creation of the Lounge created an "anything goes" atmosphere, that has detrimentally affected the other forums.

Yep, the lounge bustd things a bit imho - it devalued the main forums. Unfortunately the moderators are now rather dim and can't spell - whereas Kim was a real journo. As for chat about climate change, dunno if that was ever a great place for such chat but then again, in the lounge - why not?

In future, I suggest that the word "toast" is used in place of "climate change"

Nick,
Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the YBW forum moderators decisions, I think it is pretty bad form for you to bring out this subject in your own private enclave.
I think a quiet dignified silence would serve better, and I think you should pull this thread, as it appears pretty self serving.

As I say, I do like a bit of fairness.


Jim

Have to agree in part Jim but for entirely different reasons; I had thought that we had sort of agreed that it was bad form in general to discuss threads in another place. I certainly think so and that it diminishes us although it is in fact a far far better thing we do here.

However I have to strongly refute your suggestion that this is Nick's private enclave. We all, yourself included, post here when and how we see fit and it's only Nick's in as much as he pays the bills and does most of the hard work.

A stupid decision.

I think censorship is always, always wrong. If there's one thing worse than titties on a sailing site it's banning titties from a sailing site.

Then there's the practical issues. Banning a topic as broad as climate change seems fraught with problems. Can I say spring is early this year? Can I say this seemed like a cold winter? Can I say I wish I'd gone to Greenland in the 70's when there was more ice?

The solution will cause more difficulty than the problem.

I hardly ever read the lounge, and I'm glad I don't.

My 2p worth.

I'm with Full Circle on this one. I Don't know how you can say "it's a blessed relief for most of us" People reads the posts they want to read and visit the forums they want. No-one forces anyone to read it. You certainly visit the lounge regularly and contributed to most posts regarding MMGW. I think the Crimsom Cyber Stalker must be getting the better of you nick I think you'll be missing a bit of controversy and a good wind up after a few weeks
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Sounds like a real can of worms anyway where do you draw the line regarding what constitutes a MMGW thread? Does it mean you can't mention it in any post or hint at it or make a reference to it?

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Are youse lot having a go at me? I heard you were all bumlickers . . .

I used to be a bumlicker, but it tastes like poo.

Nick wrote:.
Are youse lot having a go at me? I heard you were all bumlickers . . .

Is that a tongue in cheek remark

Nick wrote:.
Are youse lot having a go at me? I heard you were all bumlickers . . .

In a very perverse way, that makes it worse.
I conclude most despairingly that you seem to be as egotistic as your adversaries, which pains me greatly.