BLUEMOMENT

These theoretic posers are all pish and wind! Put them to the test, I say!

There's a suitable place, if memory serves, towards the top of Bute. ( picci anyone? ). Perhaps we could persuade a couple of them Clydesiders to try it out.

Best of three to win.....

bilbo wrote:These theoretic posers are all pish and wind! Put them to the test, I say!

There's a suitable place, if memory serves, towards the top of Bute. ( picci anyone? ). Perhaps we could persuade a couple of them Clydesiders to try it out.

Best of three to win.....

Here?



Ash

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Ash on the burnt islands?

Time for (dis)closure.

I was yacht 'A'.

Whilst shaking out the reef, I was happy to reassure the crew that we were OK as we were stand on through out. 'B' was overtaking, then on port and upwind.

Dropping back into the cockpit and taking over the helm I made a quick assessment. We were certainly nowhere near a close quarters situation but felt that some action was required.

I could have maintained my recent slow speed which would have allowed 'B' to cross well clear.

I could have tacked and would still be stand on until (if) I became the overtaker but I wouldn't get clear of 'B' before we reached the other shore.

[tin hat on] I eased the sheets and bore away whilst picking up speed until I felt it was obvious that I would pass behind 'B' then hardened up and tacked when I was upwind (but now behind) of 'B'.

Of course the danger was that 'B' might also bear away, but I kept an eye on her, and I was confident that at the time I changed course 'B' wouldn't yet feel that she needed to change course.[/tin hat off]

Ash

Ash rote....

Here?

Aye, that'll do nicely.

Ooh! Are we going to have a proper colregs discussion?

You've already said that the scale of the diagram is wrong and of course if you're miles apart you can do what you like while preferably making your intentions clear to all.

However you are the stand-on vessel if it's close enough to matter IMO. It's not an overtaking situation since the courses are 90 deg apart.

Maintaining your speed is a red herring. Yachts' speeds are constantly changing by a knot or two and cannot be accurately judged from another boat anyway which is why we rely on relative bearing to judge if a collision risk exists.

The key fact in the scenario is that A is on starboard and B on port.

All IMHO of course.

What Silkie said, you know it makes sense.

I still give way far too early though, but just coz I'm a wuss, and rule 8 applies anyway so I feel totaly justified being a wuss.

Which boat is the biggest?

Silkie wrote:cannot be accurately judged from another boat anyway which is why we rely on relative bearing to judge if a collision risk exists.

Never been on a busy start line?

I did think that there were enough variables to promote a discussion.

This all happened towards the end of last season. I was going to hand draw it then, but then lots of new people signed up for the forum and I chickened out. Obtaining the drawing software prompted me again.

What made it abnormal to me was shaking out the reef - I didn't have much time to monitor a bearing to 'B' - I was making a substantial change in speed, from jib only to jib plus full main, maybe almost double the speed.

Prior to meeting, 'A' had been beating upwind in gusty conditions under jib and one reef in the main while 'B' was running downwind under genoa and full main. When we met, 'B' turned around. In the gusts 'A' was moving well at good speed whilst 'B' was struggling with too much canvas. In the lulls, 'A' was undercanvassed and 'B' could make up some ground. Speeds had been varying, but we were both able to monitor each other and had happily crossed tracks a few times.

A number of people have said, in different ways, that they don't get into a situation where they need to worry about stand on / give way but what happens if you (as the wuss) would become the stand on and the other chap is happier than you to get closer. Also what happens if both skippers are wusses - do they both make early changes and cancel each other out?

I tend towards the wuss category – if I’m heading towards the shore line and a Mobo is coming up behind or towards me then I’ll tack early so that there is no doubt in their mind which direction I’ll continue in and so that they can’t trap me between them and the approaching shore.

I think that the other boat was about 26’ to my 27’, she carried this sail insignia – can anyone identify it. I thought that she may have been from the same stable as Silkie, but couldn’t find it.



Ash

Maybe Windfinder would describe his situation when he was teeboned?