Questions about Snapdragon 26,West.Pag.simillary bilge keels

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Ralf
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Questions about Snapdragon 26,West.Pag.simillary bilge keels

Postby Ralf » Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:33 pm

Hello


I wound like to live on the bout. There are always same connections witch society, thinkings to do on the earth, but I want that bout is my relay home. This live don’t cost sou much and offer a lot possibility for freedom. There are the people witch live in this way. I thing that this is same choose.
That is truth that this earth is more and more seed , sou why not ?... I have this idea in head since 2 years and I imagine how it can be ( economically ). This is home for all live, witch move ...
Now I have for this idea 7000 Euro, I think add a'little more. For this price it is possible buy something what I want. I want something fore move in sweet water and in the see, and can handly put down mast. There are same English boats like Snapdragon 26, 24, Westerly Pageant.
Hear is my list:
Westerly Pageant, See master 23, Snapdragon 24, Snapdragon 26, Kent 27 G class, Vivacity 24,
Leisure Leisure, MacWester 28, Mac Wester 26, Cristal Csistal 22, Kingfisher 26.
They are similar, and evry have bi quelle. The moust I like Snapdragon 26 – only a'little bigger draft like Westerly Pageant ( or the same ), and this bout have 8 metes. I know that I must reduce evry my thingks to minimum, sou 8 metrs is better.
I have loocked a'little on forums to take opinion about this bout ( Snap 26 ).I have listened good things and something negative – it's about that it don’t sail good "contre wind". What is this problem ? I nou that everything is relative ( and we can not have everything ), bat this problem with this, is it big problem ?, maybe the same like with Westerly Pageant or Centaur and every similar bout witch I writed heare. One thing Im sure - that I want bout in this type ( bi quelle ) . Could you give me same idea about this. And say something about good " things" caracteristic of this bout ( Snap 26 ) and things less good. I no that it is not very fast, but is it ship of slow or middle speed, if compare with other sail – boats ?

I woud like to know something more about this ship.

And yet . What is headroom in Snap 26 (maybe is no always the same ) ?

Question general: What is the differents between Snapdragon and Westerly Centaur or Pageant in saling ?

xxx

After I will look for people to go swim - sail on there bout for help in manoeuvres, because I don’t no to sail. But I have same experiences with see, and same idee theorique about navigation ( I have been in school maritime 3 months, and work on fish boat for my lovely sail – boat ). After I must go in UK for buy ship, but I don’t no person for help me with this. Aaaaaa ! And I no that it is important decision.



Ralf My imeil direct: buenosniebiosATonet.eu

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Nick
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Re: Questions about Snapdragon 26,West.Pag.simillary bilge k

Postby Nick » Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:17 am

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Hi Ralf,

Welcome to the forum.

Choosing a small effective live-aboard boat on a limited budget is always going to ionvolve compromises. Here's what I think are essentials:

~ Standing headroom at least under the hatch and by the cooker. If you are short like me and my wife you ahve a much biger choice of boats. (We lived aboard our 27ft Albin Vega very comfortably for just over a year)

~ Seaworthiness. Once you realise the freedom of your chosen lifestyle you may want to take your home across oceans. You need a boat you can trust, so check to see if your chosen vessel has made any deep sea voyages.

~ Ease of maintenance. Don't choose a boat that has anything unusual or complicated or expensive about it.

When you are a liveaboard on a budget speed is not important, neither is close-windedness. You can adjust your plans or your course to suit the weather.

Many people will tell you that you need a fin keeled boat for deep water, that they are more stable and will sail closer to the wind. This is true, but if you are a liveaboard on a budget you can 'park' your bilge keeler on the mud anywhere suitable for free. This is a difficult deciksion, but I see that the boats on your list are all bilge keeled so maybe you have already made this decision.

Re. Westerlies over the Snapdragon - Westerlies have a reputation for being very strong and well-built (though not the fastest sailers). MacWesters are also very solidly built - we met a man in Madeira who had been to Brazil and back in a MacWester 28, and he had no previous sailing experience!

The Pageant looks like a bit of a Tardis and was built to Loyds A! standard - she could be a very good choice on your budget, with thte emmphasis on liveaboard rather than sailing performancve but with the strength and capability to make long if slow passages in the future. The Snapdragon has a reputation for being a bit slow for a 26 footer, so I don;t think from that point of view there will be much difference between the Westerly and the Snappie. There are some reviews HERE

Keep in touch and let us know what you eventually purchase. I am sure you will get many more useful opinions and comments from BlueMoment members.
- Nick 8)

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Re: Questions about Snapdragon 26,West.Pag.simillary bilge k

Postby Arghiro » Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:25 pm

With respect, Nick a Pageant will sail circles round a Snapdragon (or a Macwester)despite the Snappie being longer.

Other Westerly models to consider, Centaur is 26' version of Pageant, and the Tiger is the fin keel predecessor to the range. There are a number of Colvics around of a similar size & age that have strong hulls but may be cheaper as less well liked & interior fit-out can be "home-made".


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