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Re: penultimate sail of the season....dragging anchor....

Postby little boy blue » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:50 pm

Silkie wrote: ..... Of course lbb wouldn't make any such amateurish errors or forget to add the tide either :) although I have to say that 20m doesn't sound like much scope .....


i would hope not, but i managed to get the tides wrong for the trip up the sound of luing earlier this season :oops:
i take your point about 20 m, however when i set the anchor i had all the chain and about 2 m of rope out = c 24 m. once sure the anchor had set i pulled some back in.
the problem with letting out 40m of rode in pd is it would have put me on the rocks at the end of the sheers i think. i`m sure silkie is much better behaved than a fin keeler.
the really sensible thing would have been to b*g*er off much earlier.

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Re: penultimate sail of the season....dragging anchor....

Postby puddock » Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:08 pm

I thought Silkie was a fin?
Anyway, I am trying to get some info on a riding sail but not having much in the way of success. Any pointers?

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v-twin riding sail

Postby Ghillie » Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:32 pm

Piotaskipper on TOP gives a good account of his "V-twin riding sail" with photos etc
A search for his posts will find it.

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Re: penultimate sail of the season....dragging anchor....

Postby stevepick » Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:42 pm

Ron

The v shaped riding sail is shown on this website, a sailmaker local to oban will make you one. I think piota got his from Owen. Piota writes his up on YBW , search under v-twin sail , I just have a straightforward small riding sail , on the few times I have used it, it worked fine.

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Re: penultimate sail of the season....dragging anchor....

Postby puddock » Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:47 pm

Cheers Steve

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Re: penultimate sail of the season....dragging anchor....

Postby Silkie » Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:48 pm

puddock wrote:I thought Silkie was a fin?

[pedant]Strictly speaking Silkie has a long fin keel.[/pedant]

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Re: penultimate sail of the season....dragging anchor....

Postby ash » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:14 pm

I helped Piota to post his pics on YBW - a long time ago - so I have them in my album.

I hope that he will be OK if I post them here.

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Re: penultimate sail of the season....dragging anchor....

Postby ash » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:33 pm

With regard to shearing or sailing around the anchor ( chain ) - what do fomumites do with the rudder? Fix it amid ships? Fix it offset to one side? Leave to move ?

Mistral is long keeled with a cut away forefoot - in lightish winds she tends to move around her anchor chain (all chain rode - about 20M in up to 5M ) - not sure if it should be described as 'shearing' , 'veering' , or 'sailing'. I think that this is the sequence of events - wind drops a bit - chain pulls her forward - momentum carries her further forward - bow blows off so she's beam on to the wind - she's blown back till chain tightens and pulls bow into wind - momentum takes bow through the wind - repeat with bow pointing the other way.

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Re: penultimate sail of the season....dragging anchor....

Postby aquaplane » Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:06 am

I dress to the left. As to positioning of the tiller, I leave it in the middle, but so far I don't have to tie it.

TBH I'm wondering if it's a bit stiff, but Erica doesn't say it is.

The First 18 I had to tie fore and aft, the Centaur I don't. It could be a transome hung versus whatever the name for hung underneath is thing? Being a pesimist I'm thinking it could be a "I've got a knackerd rudder bearing situation" situation.
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Re: penultimate sail of the season....dragging anchor....

Postby Craig Smith » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:45 pm

Ghillie wrote:
little boy blue wrote:shortly after that our anchor started to drag.........for those of you interested in the great anchor debate ours is a manson supreme :roll: .
the westerly, whose crew sat in the cockpit all night with the engine running were hanging ( successfully ) on a cqr.


Well, with that evidence, bang goes my theory! I am undone! What to do now? (ie to CQR or not to CQR) I really thought that the way to a happy anchorage experience was to buy a New Generation Anchor and toss it overboard......with lots of chain attached.
(are spades better that manson supremes?). It is looking like AJA's sage advice is winning the day.

You might try the genuine Rocna instead of the cheap Manson copy of it :)

Comments on this article? http://www.petersmith.net.nz/boat-ancho ... nchors.php

And take a look at this video posted to YouTube a few days ago by an American: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmGAckf69pE

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Re: penultimate sail of the season....dragging anchor....

Postby Silkie » Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:28 pm

Craig Smith wrote:Comments on this article? http://www.petersmith.net.nz/boat-ancho ... nchors.php

You missed an "s" :) http://www.petersmith.net.nz/boat-ancho ... nchors.php

"When experimenting on the Rocna prototypes, early attempts were similar to the “budget Spade” Sword and Raya anchor types now being marketed, lacking both the roll-bar and a ballasted tip, but these concepts proved unreliable and unacceptable when tested thoroughly."

On the face of it the Sword/Raya type should be the ultimate extension of the principle of no weight wasted on anything other than drag or strength. Do you know what it was that Peter found to be "unreliable and unacceptable" about these concepts?
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Re: penultimate sail of the season....dragging anchor....

Postby little boy blue » Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:43 pm

Silkie wrote: ........ Do you know what it was that Peter found to be "unreliable and unacceptable" about these concepts?

no reply i see - so far - perhaps craig`s attention span has expired :lol:
wonder what the chances of a free trial a la raya is :?:

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Re: penultimate sail of the season....dragging anchor....

Postby Silkie » Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:30 pm

little boy blue wrote:...no reply i see...

And after inviting comments too.
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Re: penultimate sail of the season....dragging anchor....

Postby sawdoc » Sun Dec 27, 2009 1:31 pm

Excellent thread - there must be half an almanac's worth of information contained in the many contributions ! :D

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Re: penultimate sail of the season....dragging anchor....

Postby Silkie » Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:29 pm

It also illustrates neatly why this is a superior forum. Reading back over it there are several obvious tipping points where it could easily have degenerated into the sort of name-calling that predominates on some other forums. Instead we had a measured, reasoned discussion where people could ask questions and add their own experiences without finding themselves in a war zone.
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