New sails in Scotland

Forum for general cruising topics
User avatar
aquaplane
Admiral of the White Rose
Posts: 1507
Joined: Thu May 17, 2007 12:55 pm
Boat Type: Jeanneau Espace
Location: Body: West Yorks; Boat: Tayvallich
Contact:

New sails in Scotland

Postby aquaplane » Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:26 pm

I have asked this before but I can't find the thread, Can anyone recommend a sail maker for a boat based on the west coast?

Does it matter where they are, I have read about folk wanting to talk to the sail maker to discuss various things but also folk getting sails made by English lofts?

TIA
Seminole.
Cheers Bob.

User avatar
sahona
Admiral of the White
Posts: 1982
Joined: Thu Jan 03, 2008 8:17 pm
Boat Type: Marcon Claymore
Location: Clyde

Re: New sails in Scotland

Postby sahona » Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:54 pm

I used Nicholson Hughes for the shipman a few years back and was very satisfied, transformed the boat.
Current main was made by Leitch in tarbert and is OK for it's age. Then there's Saturn which the racers seem to like.
Don't know about Owen, but it seems you're spoilt for choice.
http://trooncruisingclub.org/ 20' - 30' Berths available, Clyde.
Cruising, racing, maintenance facilities. Go take a look, you know you want to.

User avatar
Aja
Old Salt
Posts: 867
Joined: Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:08 pm
Boat Type: Moody 346
Location: Kames
Contact:

Re: New sails in Scotland

Postby Aja » Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:41 pm

If the sails are for the Centaur you really are spoilt for choice. It is a well known marque and almost all sail lofts will have the sail dimensions.

I would ask for quotes from a number of lofts asking all to quote on the same weight of cloth; sail numbers/insignia and batten type delivery dates etc then you will have a clearer picture on price an delivery. Don't forget that all sail lofts will be bust* at this time of year.

Regards
Donald
Edit: busy

User avatar
aquaplane
Admiral of the White Rose
Posts: 1507
Joined: Thu May 17, 2007 12:55 pm
Boat Type: Jeanneau Espace
Location: Body: West Yorks; Boat: Tayvallich
Contact:

Re: New sails in Scotland

Postby aquaplane » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:16 pm

The sail is for the Espace to replace the 1982 original!
Seminole.
Cheers Bob.

Pete Cooper
Old Salt
Posts: 453
Joined: Sun May 11, 2008 5:48 pm
Boat Type: Micro Gem 550 Super Yacht

Re: New sails in Scotland

Postby Pete Cooper » Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:02 pm

I would suggest Crusader - I have not used them but they get good reviews. I suspect that Saturn and Owen will both cost a fair bit more.
I also note something from a quote that they sent me "Don't forget too that we can visit your boat in most UK locations and our Dacron and Hydranet sails are guaranteed for 5 years with a first year free of charge service" so they may be able to do the measurement as well.

User avatar
sahona
Admiral of the White
Posts: 1982
Joined: Thu Jan 03, 2008 8:17 pm
Boat Type: Marcon Claymore
Location: Clyde

Re: New sails in Scotland

Postby sahona » Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:25 am

is the Espace not still parked right outside Willie Leitch's door?
http://trooncruisingclub.org/ 20' - 30' Berths available, Clyde.
Cruising, racing, maintenance facilities. Go take a look, you know you want to.

User avatar
aquaplane
Admiral of the White Rose
Posts: 1507
Joined: Thu May 17, 2007 12:55 pm
Boat Type: Jeanneau Espace
Location: Body: West Yorks; Boat: Tayvallich
Contact:

Re: New sails in Scotland

Postby aquaplane » Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:48 pm

Yes it is. I asked him for a price in December, I'm still waiting.
Seminole.
Cheers Bob.

User avatar
sahona
Admiral of the White
Posts: 1982
Joined: Thu Jan 03, 2008 8:17 pm
Boat Type: Marcon Claymore
Location: Clyde

Re: New sails in Scotland

Postby sahona » Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:47 pm

Ochone ochone...
http://trooncruisingclub.org/ 20' - 30' Berths available, Clyde.
Cruising, racing, maintenance facilities. Go take a look, you know you want to.

User avatar
aquaplane
Admiral of the White Rose
Posts: 1507
Joined: Thu May 17, 2007 12:55 pm
Boat Type: Jeanneau Espace
Location: Body: West Yorks; Boat: Tayvallich
Contact:

Re: New sails in Scotland

Postby aquaplane » Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:11 pm

sahona wrote:Ochone ochone...


Please translate?

I'm only fluent in 2 languages, English and bollocks, and sometimes I'm doubtful about the English.

I used to think my dad was overly cynical when he said "the Scots didn't have a word which had quite the sense of urgency as manana"!
Seminole.
Cheers Bob.

User avatar
Fingal
Old Salt
Posts: 472
Joined: Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:12 pm
Boat Type: Westerly Fulmar 32
Location: Edinburgh

Re: New sails in Scotland

Postby Fingal » Wed Apr 20, 2016 9:30 am

We have been progressively renewing Cherry Ripe's sails since 2013. Last year we had a new main built by Owen Sails, and this year we have just taken delivery of a new furling headsail. Both are excellent sails, very well made and the after sails service is outstanding. I would strongly recommend Owens, not the cheapest probably but excellent work.

Regarding Crusader, they do certainly make nice sails. I had a couple of sails from them when I had my Folkboat, a new main and a genoa the following year. Or was it the other way round? Anyway when I was invited for a sail in her a couple of years ago, the main looked very tired after about 4 seasons use. Crusader can definitely beat Owens on price but they do that by using cheaper less durable cloths.

Cheers
Ken
Fulmar 32 Fingal

User avatar
sahona
Admiral of the White
Posts: 1982
Joined: Thu Jan 03, 2008 8:17 pm
Boat Type: Marcon Claymore
Location: Clyde

Re: New sails in Scotland

Postby sahona » Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:11 pm

aquaplane wrote:
sahona wrote:Ochone ochone...


Please translate?

I'm only fluent in 2 languages, English and bollocks, and sometimes I'm doubtful about the English.

I used to think my dad was overly cynical when he said "the Scots didn't have a word which had quite the sense of urgency as manana"!

:roll: :shake: It's either or both of these guys.
A sentiment of despair or hopelessness. As Ken Bruce would say - you'll need to brush up your Erse if you're going to berth in Tarbert!
http://trooncruisingclub.org/ 20' - 30' Berths available, Clyde.
Cruising, racing, maintenance facilities. Go take a look, you know you want to.

User avatar
aquaplane
Admiral of the White Rose
Posts: 1507
Joined: Thu May 17, 2007 12:55 pm
Boat Type: Jeanneau Espace
Location: Body: West Yorks; Boat: Tayvallich
Contact:

Re: New sails in Scotland

Postby aquaplane » Wed Apr 20, 2016 9:24 pm

Crusader have got back to me within half a day of submitting an enquiry. Greenboat, did you have the standard cruising sail or the long distance cruising sail for your Folkboat? The long distance is dearer but reportedly more robust.

I've told Bill I'm picking up the valeted sails on Friday and reminded him he is supposed to be thinking about a new sail.
Seminole.
Cheers Bob.

User avatar
wully
Yellow Admiral
Posts: 1115
Joined: Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:29 pm
Boat Type: sailie boatie
Location: Argyll - where else?

Re: New sails in Scotland

Postby wully » Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:57 pm

Owen sails.

Cost a little bit more but that shows in the quality and service.

I've also had excellent service from Saturn , Jessail and Willie Leetch in Tarbert. We really are spoiled for sail makers up here.

IMHO.

Gardenshed
Old Salt
Posts: 303
Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 3:59 pm
Boat Type: Grand Soleil 39 & Hobie Tiger
Location: 13:44:00N 100:32:00E

Re: New sails in Scotland

Postby Gardenshed » Thu Apr 21, 2016 1:39 am

Saturn or Owens
I bought from Owens a few years ago and was delighted with the sails. Invest into good cloth and get the details right:
Number and depth of the reefs
loose foot or not
Mainsail leech line that can be adjusted and cleated from the luff not the end of the boom
type of cloth (weight and material cloth)
Cut (cross cut, radial etc) to get the best from the cloth.
number and length of battens (ronstan batten cars allows full length battens that run easily but avoids the need for a track)
foam luff on the furling genoa
camber stripes
reinforcement patches
clew height for the Genoa (slightly higher for visibility)
Size of Genoa (if you always motor in light winds, get a slightly smaller genoa with a higher clew position so that it performs better when it gets breezy

It is definitely worth investing into decent sails, particularly the headsail.

"But I don't race, I just cruise": when it blows and you need/want to clear a headland, cheap sails go baggy and distort in the gusts making it harder to control the boat and point high. They also last a lot longer and the memory of the invoice fades....

User avatar
aquaplane
Admiral of the White Rose
Posts: 1507
Joined: Thu May 17, 2007 12:55 pm
Boat Type: Jeanneau Espace
Location: Body: West Yorks; Boat: Tayvallich
Contact:

Re: New sails in Scotland

Postby aquaplane » Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:52 pm

Owens have sent their quote today. It looked OK on the , pay a bit more and get a better sail front until I noticed it was plus VAT.

They have recommended that the top two battens are full length, it stops the sail flogging when motorsaiing and gives longer life, I must say it sounded a good idea at the time, 'till I saw the price. I admit I haven't been over convenienced by motorsailing 15° off the wind to stop the main flapping about, even when I wanted to go dead to windward.

Has anyone else got the fully battened top bit arrangement? How do you find it?

It'll be interesting to see what BL has to say in the morning.
Seminole.
Cheers Bob.


Return to “Shooting the breeze”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 10 guests